Ducks beat trees

[impur]

Finally, after 7 tries they beat the Furd. 1st win over the trees for any of the current ducks. Great win, 17-1!!

GO DUCKS!!!

[brady_44]

I'm still not convinced they are the team to beat, but they can certainly play with anybody.

[impur]

LOL.....okay. Humor me. What is it gonna take to convince you? Obviously not knocking off the #1 team, or the #10 team at their house. Or beating Stanford who is always a good team. You want them to sweep the Pac10 here on out? Sheesh, talk about high standards!

They are in first place. Every team in the toughest conf in the country is chasing them.

I'm not saying they will sweep, i'm not saying they will even with the Pac10 title. Theres a lot of bball to be played. But at this point they ARE the team to beat. Facts are facts, everyone is gunning for them since they are in first. Hence, the team to beat.

[brady_44]

I get your point. I guess to me "team to beat" means the best team in the conference. I'm not saying they aren't the best team, but I'm not fully convinced... regardless of the standings.

[OSU8085]

UCLA IS the team to beat

1. Even you admit you aren't sure if they'll win

i'm not saying they will even with the Pac10 title

2. UCLA made the Final Four last year and dominated the Pac Ten...when was the last time Oregon made the Final Four? (Not to mention those 11 nati title banners in pauley)
3. Oregon relys on the 3 where as UCLA is a team thus much more consistent
4. When was the last time the basketball or football team finished strong at Oregon? 4-5 years? ouch
5. UCLA is #3, Oregon is #9 currently
6. Oregon does have wins over Arizona and UCLA however do they have anything else on that resume? GTown? anything more? (Sorry Mercer and the other 6 colleges I haven't heard of that you beat doesn't count)
7. Did you see what UCLA did to Arizona today? They demolished them, totally controlling the game where as Oregon had to hit 13 3 pointers and make a 6 point come back with less than 6 to go...thats the difference right there
8. Oregon won't be playing at The Pit come NCAA tournament, hell they won't even be playing there come Pac Ten tournament

Oregon has proven to be a top 15 team and a top team in the Pac Ten but far from the team to beat

[OSU8085]

Also, why are you talking crap after that horrid Stanford game? Honestly the Ducks should not of won that game...it was ugly. Congrats on the win but don't be telling me you are the team to beat after that prefromance

[GoDucks05]

... damn beaver fans. I do agree that UCLA is the best team in the pac ten, but going 18-1 isnt an accident, and being 18-1 definatly makes us a top 10team. sure we sucked against Stanford, but we found a way to win, which is a huge step in the right direction compared to what we did last year. And the fact that UCLA dominated Arizona the whole game compared to oregon's comeback means nothing. UCLA played at home, Oregon played at Arizona, huge difference. And UCLA's national championships and last years final four doesnt necisarily make them a better team, who gives a shit if oregon has never made a final four or never finished high in the ranks in football.

[OSU8085]

Originally Posted by GoDucks05

... damn beaver fans. I do agree that UCLA is the best team in the pac ten, but going 18-1 isnt an accident, and being 18-1 definatly makes us a top 10team. sure we sucked against Stanford, but we found a way to win, which is a huge step in the right direction compared to what we did last year. And the fact that UCLA dominated Arizona the whole game compared to oregon's comeback means nothing. UCLA played at home, Oregon played at Arizona, huge difference. And UCLA's national championships and last years final four doesnt necisarily make them a better team, who gives a shit if oregon has never made a final four or never finished high in the ranks in football.

1. I give credit to Oregon, thys far they have taken care of business. What I do critize is A. Posts like this and B. The fact that they should have been donig this the past 3 years.
2. Exactly you sucked vs. Stanford but are trying convince you are the team to beat in the Pac Ten?????
3. The fact UCLA beat them at home does make a big difference but did you watch the two games???
4. UCLA's history and last year's team (and Oregon's History) has everything to do with the "team to beat" label. I have no clue how you can deny it.
5. Based on the past 5 years from any oregon athletic program what is there to show me that Oregon will be the team to beat down the stretch? I can point to numerous UCLA stretchs. And that has everything to do with it

Oregon Fans: Your team is good...if its possible don't get as arrogant as to say your team is the team to beat especially considering your total of 3 quality wins, one vs. a medicore big east team and one vs a reeling benchless team (granted both were on the road which is very encouraging)...also realize that you are the only team in America with 3 mcdonalds all-americans who have started for 3 years (not to mention a stud freshman)...you should be #1. Congrats on the season but remember you are still behind UCLA and will be until at least March

[GoDucks05]

Originally Posted by OSU8085

Congrats on the season but remember you are still behind UCLA and will be until at least March

We'll see, Oregon at UCLA 02/01, sweeping ucla would mean we're better than them.

[OSU8085]

Not if they go to the Final Four and win the Pac Ten and you get eliminated (just cause OSU "swept" USC in football doesn't make them better )

Also don't rule out a 3rd meeting in the PAc ten tournament

[impur]

Originally Posted by OSU8085

Also, why are you talking crap after that horrid Stanford game? Honestly the Ducks should not of won that game...it was ugly. Congrats on the win but don't be telling me you are the team to beat after that prefromance

You are talking the same Stanford team that beat UCLA (YOUR team to beat) right? Your argument no longer holds water there.

So if Oregon beats UCLA tonight at UCLA is UCLA still the team to beat?

(I haven't been getting email notifications for some reason so i'm a bit late here)

[OSU8085]

You are talking the same Stanford team that beat UCLA (YOUR team to beat) right? Your argument no longer holds water there.

umm teams get hot and Stanford has gotten hot. Arizona beat that same Stanford team, but right now I'd take Stanford to win against UA in any arena. I don't see how much arguement "no longer holds water." Not tom ention the game was in Eugene and if you watched it was a was an ugly game

So if Oregon beats UCLA tonight at UCLA is UCLA still the team to beat?

The winner of the game tonight will be the team to beat for the regular season pac ten title. I still like UCLA's postseason chances better justb ecause A. History B. Oregon relies too much on the 3 andi f they fail to hit them they lose

[impur]

Its funny that all of Oregon wins have an asterix with you, but regardless of how UCLA wins or who its against you don't point that out at all.

The Stanford argument does not hold water because 1. Oregon beat Stanford and 2. Stanford beat UCLA and 3. Oregon beat UCLA.

I guess i don't understand your logic. Do "ugly" games not count all of the sudden? I don't see an "ugly game" column anywhere, its WIN and LOSS. Thats it...no domination column, no almost lost column, no looked great winning column, no stunk like a pig column, no looked good in losing column, no dominated the stats but lost column...you get the point.


Just so you know i'm not getting a big head about this Duck team. I'm ready for the let down. Be it tonight (down by 15 last i checked) or in the tourney. I think they CAN do great things, "Ernie Kent ball" is just not designed to win it all. But you talk like we should just end the season now and give UCLA the trophy.

And what do these kids on UCLA have to do with history? Is Bill Walton gonna come out of the rafters and help em out? They went to the final game last year and lost. What kind of history is that? Finishing 2nd place i guess...not sure how thats gonna help them out this year.

[OSU8085]

Its funny that all of Oregon wins have an asterix with you, but regardless of how UCLA wins or who its against you don't point that out at all.

Thats because UCLA has proved it, they proved it last year and proved it in OOC playing teams like Texas A&M

The Stanford argument does not hold water because 1. Oregon beat Stanford and 2. Stanford beat UCLA and 3. Oregon beat UCLA.

You beat Stanford at home, UCLA lost to Stanford at Maples after having a 17 point lead. UCLA is up 18 on Oregon right now after losing at Oregon. Anyways your point was that Oregon beat Stanford who just beat UCLa and I said Stanford has gotten a lot better, which they clearly have with starting both Lopez twins (they are undeafeted while doing so.) and for more evidence on how they've gotten better, they lost to UA and only a fool would take UA to beat stanford right now-the way UA has played the past 8 games.

I guess i don't understand your logic. Do "ugly" games not count all of the sudden? I don't see an "ugly game" column anywhere, its WIN and LOSS. Thats it...no domination column, no almost lost column, no looked great winning column, no stunk like a pig column, no looked good in losing column, no dominated the stats but lost column...you get the point.

wow, do you read your own posts???????????????????????????????

You were making the point that after beating Stanford made you the team to beat and I said you shouldn't making such a statement after that ugly game. Its undeniable about how bad the game was, you guys won but don't be telling me you are the best team in the best conference after the preformance, at home no less.

Just so you know i'm not getting a big head about this Duck team. I'm ready for the let down. Be it tonight (down by 15 last i checked) or in the tourney. But you talk like we should just end the season now and give UCLA the trophy.

I talk like you guys aren't the team to beat. Should Wazzu end the season because they won't win the PaC ten??? No, why? because there are more important things than the Pac Ten title

And what do these kids on UCLA have to do with history? Is Bill Walton gonna come out of the rafters and help em out? They went to the final game last year and lost. What kind of history is that? Finishing 2nd place i guess...not sure how thats gonna help them out this year.

Here let me explain...again-
A. If you are looking at long term history (looking back at Alcindor and Wooden)...that has a huge impact, if you claim it has little effect on teams, my bet is you've never been to game at UCLA. Every player who has played there says the 11 banners above them have an impact
B. If our looking at last year, of course that has an impact, no matter what he situation, the team that last won the title (pac ten regular and tournament) and last had the most success (final four) will have a target on its back. It pretty clearly gives the entire UCLA program confidence and it most definitly givs confidence to the media to hype them enough to make them the team to beat regardless of whatever ridiculous points you make

[OSU8085]

Does the absolute beat down that UCLA just handed Oregon enough evidence to convince you Oregon isn't the team to beat? OR how bout the beat down UW gave you?

[impur]

So we don't get an asterix for the UW loss (without our best player and floor leader) but we do get an asterix for the Stanford win? Come on! If your doeling out asterixs at least be consistant!!

Whats your definition of a "pretty" game anyway? Would you call UCLA's loss to stanford pretty or ugly? You keep downplaying the Duck win over stanford as ugly like it doesn't count. Brook didn't play the first what 1 min for violation of team rules, so what he still played most of the game. So if he had started and played 1 more min it would have a different outcome? It doesn't matter if they won by 1 or 100, if the ball hit the rim 200 times then went in or if it was a swish, it still counts. A win is a win no matter how you slice it. A loss is a loss. You can't say this one doesn't count because you thought it was ugly, your argument does not hold water for this reason.

And i never once said the Ducks were the best team in the best conference. I guess you should be asking if YOU read MY posts. I said: "They are in first place. Every team in the toughest conf in the country is chasing them." Maybe that is where you are becoming confused. I simply stated they were in first, they are the team to beat. If it was OSU in first i would say the same thing about them.

I still don't agree with the whole history and banner thing. Are the players staring at the banners or the basket during the game? I haven't been to Pauley, maybe the banners hang right by the baskets? Were these kids even born when UCLA was winning those banners? I don't think the media takes anything i say to heart, and I guarantee they aren't considering anything you say either. LA is a media center, and guess what, thats where UCLA plays!!! Of course they hype them, they do the same thing for USC. The media in Eugene hypes the Ducks, the media in Cornvallis hypes OSU. We just don't have 50million ppl to read into that hype.

So since Kentucky has always been a national power but are 16-5 and sit 2nd in their conf are they still the team to beat in their conf?? They have banners too, way more than Florida. How about Indiana? They have banners.

NOW i will not argue with UCLA being the team to beat for now. It could change if they lose.

Looked like the Ducks of last year! UCLA did a good job of going inside this game, something they didn't do in the last game. That exposed the Ducks small lineup and lack of bigs.

UCLA plays 5 road games still, at the zona schools and at the washington schools. Ducks have only 3 road games left. Its still not over!!!

[OSU8085]

[quote]

Originally Posted by impur

So we don't get an asterix for the UW loss (without our best player and floor leader) but we do get an asterix for the Stanford win? Come on! If your doeling out asterixs at least be consistant!!

Aaron Brooks is a thug, he deserved more. When did I ever put an asterik by the Stanford game?...I just said it doesn't make you the team to beat

Whats your definition of a "pretty" game anyway? Would you call UCLA's loss to stanford pretty or ugly? You keep downplaying the Duck win over stanford as ugly like it doesn't count. Brook didn't play the first what 1 min for violation of team rules, so what he still played most of the game. So if he had started and played 1 more min it would have a different outcome? It doesn't matter if they won by 1 or 100, if the ball hit the rim 200 times then went in or if it was a swish, it still counts. A win is a win no matter how you slice it. A loss is a loss. You can't say this one doesn't count because you thought it was ugly, your argument does not hold water for this reason.

Read my posts for once

And i never once said the Ducks were the best team in the best conference. I guess you should be asking if YOU read MY posts. I said: "They are in first place. Every team in the toughest conf in the country is chasing them." Maybe that is where you are becoming confused. I simply stated they were in first, they are the team to beat. If it was OSU in first i would say the same thing about them.

the first place team (especially early in the season) does not mean they are the team to beat

I still don't agree with the whole history and banner thing. Are the players staring at the banners or the basket during the game? I haven't been to Pauley, maybe the banners hang right by the baskets? Were these kids even born when UCLA was winning those banners? I don't think the media takes anything i say to heart, and I guarantee they aren't considering anything you say either. LA is a media center, and guess what, thats where UCLA plays!!! Of course they hype them, they do the same thing for USC. The media in Eugene hypes the Ducks, the media in Cornvallis hypes OSU. We just don't have 50million ppl to read into that hype.

Look you clerly don't understand. Have you ever played someone/team that has sooo many titles that it just wows you? if so maybe you understand. And the fact about last year's history plays a huge factor because UCLA has shown they can do it, Ben Howland has shown he can do it, Arron Afflalo shows he can do it. Maybe you understand now?

So since Kentucky has always been a national power but are 16-5 and sit 2nd in their conf are they still the team to beat in their conf?? They have banners too, way more than Florida. How about Indiana? They have banners.

No because their current roster hasnt't had much success. (read above^)But I guarantee you teams in the SEC still want to beat UK.


I still don't get why you care so much about the Pac Ten title, lets say you win the rest of your games and UCLA loses another...you win the Pac Ten, so what? UCLA would still likely get the higher seed right or wrong especially if they won the pac ten tourney ( could be like it was with uw and ua two years ago, winner of the pac ten tourney title game gets 1 seed, loser gets 3 essentially regardless of the regular seasno title

[OSU8085]

5. Based on the past 5 years from any oregon athletic program what is there to show me that Oregon will be the team to beat down the stretch? I can point to numerous UCLA stretchs. And that has everything to do with it

Hmmm

Oregon has lost 5 of 6 games, another strong finish by the Ducks!

[impur]

Yah man!! We tank it quicker than any other team in the NCAA! Woot!

[Autzen Powers]

The Washington game was a pretty good re-grouping game. Man, when Brooks has something to prove, he has something to prove.

And now on to OSU this Saturday. Will the Ducks tank again or pull out a win? It's at Mac court - should give us the advantage.

Go Ducks!